I like Joielles script. Dont read what isnt there. Im done. Among other things, youre going to be screening people out for poor judgment who may be behaving in exactly the way their current job expects them to behave, and has no way of knowing if or how this company is different. I generally linger with a mild cough (my asthma is aggravated) and sometimes a runny nose (I also have allergies) for easily a month or two. They didnt need to imply that OP is a big jerk who doesnt care about cancer patients. If the interviewer has or cares for someone with a compromised immune system, wouldnt they cut the interview short instead of carrying on to be more exposed to the germs? A lot of people dont have a practical choice to just isolate themselves when theyre sick. Its NOT something my doctor prescribes lightly, but it really was the only thing that worked. So unless you are telling them this, its totally unfair to do this. Its not fair to put it on someone who is making an effort in showing up to an interview. You can identify companies in a specific geographic area, industry, or by the products or services they offer. Should I have missed four months of work? Still not ok for them to write a snotty letter to her. But COME ON. Colorado College Career Center is pleased to provide Big Interview, an online training system that combines expert training, and AI-based video practice (available 24/7) to prepare you for traditional and virtual interviews for all experience levels, dozens of industries, and graduate school admissions. It sounds to me as if there was someone with seriously compromised health in this workplace, maybe even the interviewer, and they took OPs decision to show up very personally and sharpened their claws on OP. Honestly, we dont even know if this company would have rescheduled or just moved on with the other candidates. I hope none of those people in the places you work ever end up working with in a immuno-compromised person. Oh my god no. I would assume the company would inform me if there was a specific reason they didnt want me coming in sick, like people have said above, and Id stop short of shaking hands. We have a weird relationship will illness call out from work for it, and youre a slacker. If youre one of those people, please make sure to count your blessings tonight. Thats true. ..Say "it's nice to meet you (their name), I'm (your name). Sure, that works for some people, for some types of coughs. but anyway, you know what I mean. You demonstrated to us that you would not show careful thought or consideration for your coworkers and that is a quality you should consider addressing.. We will not be moving forward with your candidacy. This sounds like the rationalization of a germophobe. What Is Cold Calling for Jobs? (With Steps and Tips) - Indeed Don't feel like you need to rush every answer. This is such a non-issue. I cant imagine anyone taking a whole week off work for a standard cold. 10 Common Job Interview Questions and How to Answer Them I think her point was that she didnt request anything from the interviewers and went in prepared. What To Wear to a Job Interview in the Winter | Indeed.com Skipping an interview due to a cold will get you taken out of the running. If you call off sick, youre branded as lazy. Courtesy should work both ways. FAQ: Should You Go To an Interview While Sick? | Indeed.com I later found out that one of the two interviewers had 3 sick kids and a sick husband at home, and wasnt feeling so hot herself during the interview. 1. Theyre extrapolating from this one experience to make judgements about LWs work ethicwhich is highly personal. Why couldnt you wear a mask? At this point basic hygiene rules will save the day for most humans. And called it excessive absences, and said they thought it cancelled out my claim of being a reliable employee. Im not proud of it, and even less so of the fact that I didnt tell them I had a cold, but I drugged myself up on cold medicine, washed my hands AND doused them in sanitizer before meeting them, and avoided touching my face while I was there. They may have non-contagious allergies; they may simply have a persistently runny nose; they may have accidentally swallowed some water down the wrong pipe right before walking in your office. Some offices applaud people who practically work themselves to death. Especially because it doesnt help the reader by putting inaccurate info in the text. People get sick. The point is that this is NOT Japan, and people do not do that. I get the impression that someone either on the interview team, a beloved colleague, a long term employees spouse, etc has a compromised immune system so they are must more sensitize to this than they otherwise would be. It was an end stage cold, not the damn plague. Cameron described OceanGate's use of a carbon-fiber hull as "fundamentally flawed" and said he had warned another . And for a while I was occasionally coughing up blood but I wasnt contageous. I have been in the same culture. If youre cancelling youd better be in the hospital! That would certainly seem the case in the OPs situation. Honestly even just rejecting her immediately for coming in sick is over the top and bad hiring. Several nurses/secretaries etc wear one every winter, and they matter of factly can say why so that the client isnt worried the provider is sick. The employers reaction was way too harsh, I probably wouldve gone with we admire your enthusiasm for this position and commitment to your job hunt, but in the future please dont be afraid to reschedule a job interview if youre really sick! But to the affluent, benefited white-collar desk jockeys of the AAM world, people with jobs unlike theirs dont count. And really, if someone hits a pet peeve of theirs or just doesnt mesh with their office norms, the right thing to do is yellow or red flag them in your mind, send them the standard letter, and hope they find an office where theyre a better fit. If I had a candidate show up with an active cold, I would simply decline to interview them they would have to reschedule. ( in a fictional sense). The cough drops, eh, coughs sometimes linger for weeks, or the cough could just be an allergy. I had a fever and tried to call out and got the third degree. The LW had lingering congestion from a cold, not full-on flu with a fever. I dont personally think that the cancer/compromised immune system portion is necessary, but the note itself is helpful. Otherwise youre blowing your nose repeatedly . If the person was otherwise my best candidate I would do nothing more than make a note to tell them when onboarding that we encourage people to stay home when theyre sick. Nah, were academics. It was inconsiderate at best for OP not to reschedule and if a few days means around 3, its likely OP was still contagious. What to Expect at a Community-College Interview - jobs This is where it becomes rude and personal. A yes search being one where youre already stable and have flexibility and can afford to be picky, so youre looking at jobs that make you say Oh, yes, Id love to work there; while a no search is one where youre in dire straits already and are going Oh no, I need a job, like, yesterday.. Yeah, it was one of those small travel ones. Thank you for the feedback. When I was interviewing for my current job, I called the day before and let them know that I had what I thought was likely the flu. The reality is, as a junior person, if you dont play ball, its very easy to move on to the next candidate without a second thought. Allergies dont let up for months on end. Asking for a friend. Who wants to work with someone who decides that your momentary erroror the assumption you were trained into at your previous jobindicates some horrendous lack in your personality or your values! What a sillytging to reject candidates over when you did not bother to let them know how important it was in your office culture. I got sick on 1/31 I still have some sniffles and a cough even though Ive felt fine otherwise for several days at this point. I don think I couldve concentrated long enough to hear you out. They want to know that you're enthusiastic about working for their company not specifically not just the idea of working in general. Its unavoidable. 1. If employers dont offer sick pay / work from home then people *will* come into work sick. Keith cannot afford to be around anyone who even thinks they are catching something.). In any case its trivializing a serious condition to guilt trip OP and not okay. Hiring manager is on a power trip. ^^ This!! Nothing felt off about the interview. Would you tell them before the interview that you were immunocompromised, or say nothing and reject them for not knowing? If coughing started, she could have apologized lingering cough nothing contagious, popped a cough drop and continued. Do you want this job or not? How was she to know that it wasnt one of those? For most people owning *one* property is an unattainable dream and the luxury of taking a week off for a sniffle is laughable. I use tissues due to my allergies more than 3x in a half hour. Im betting they have someone in that situation. In my mind, they were over the top. This isnt a binary situation. This was an issue on which she didnt have a particular role to play, but wanted to be heard. At least I had the good sense to forgo shaking hands. What are the benefits of not using private military companies (PMCs) as China did. The average cold lasts 7-10 days. I would have contacted someone the day before the interview was scheduled. I plan on telling others who might consider applying to avoid doing so.. Bill Gates's private office reportedly asked some female job candidates about their sexual histories including what kind of pornography they liked, whether they ever had extramarital affairs . I find your attitude unacceptable in the extreme. AKA not what OP encountered with this Looney tunes manager. Back in my tech support days, mind-reading seemed to be a requirement for the job, at least from the callers point of view. Especially this place! etc. Yes and it puts the onus on whether or not to come in with cold on the employer to determine up front how they want it handled. Definitely carried tissues though. It makes me think drama queen. This is bad logic. C, thats what this sub-thread is about. It sounds like maybe you both dodged a bullet, but the one you dodged was the bigger caliber. But a cold? I figured you didnt set out the water etc on the table but kept them in your bag. Good heavens! 5 year old daughter has had RSV once and pneumonia three times in her life already. This was a personal attack on the OP sent a mere 10 minutes after she left to Make A Point. Who is the Zhang with whom Hunter Biden allegedly made a deal? We hope that advice is helpful and taken in the spirit in which it is given. The thing about issues is thst each of us tend to see them through our own personal lens. If someone shows up sick to an interview, whats stopping you from just telling them your companys stance on it and asking them to reschedule at that point? Next time, just blame any congestion/cough either on allergies or sinus issues if you want to say something. Ive always thought it was crazy, but the only place my employer actually agreed with that was at ONE small business I worked at. She emailed me later to say the test was negative, she just had some other bug, which she seems to feel retroactively justifies her. Colds are much more common than whooping cough, but if you feel like youve had the same cold since December, it might be worth seeing a doctor, because whooping cough is treatable. Well, I see your point, but she told me she had strep. They should have just sent the rejection and if LW were interested in the why, s/he could ask. That was my thought as well. what are the best jobs while youre in school? What is proper behavior for a one-on-one meeting while one has a cold? And if its not someone at the office who is inmunocompromised thats just worse. Either way. I worked in an office that was both at the same time. It still probably wouldnt occur to me to do it, and if it did Id likely be more worried about appearing out of step with professional norms by asking the question (who postpones meetings or interviews just because of a cold?). I usually have colds for a few days. Except to immunocompromised people, you* being contagious and donating your cold could be extreme. If you have the chance to interview, we highly recommend you take it. Most people generally cant realistically stay home for 7-10 days and avoid all activities and all people because theyre getting over a cold. I asked my mom with SLE what she thought, and she said that as long as I avoided shaking hands it would be fine. Ive never heard of any place doing anything like that, so the note from the interviewer seems incredibly unlikely to even follow their own PTO policies. Coming in when youre sick isnt great, but its incredibly common (and necessary for most people, and exacerbated by company policies). That story was told at every big meeting as a shining example of going above and beyond. The interviewers dont know what was going on in OPs mind. People get a limited amount of sick time (or worse, combined PTO), many offices have just power through cultures around calling out, plenty of bosses have a martyr complex about it and will treat their staff as flakes for calling out sick, etc. I would tell them. Case Study #1: Avoid ruminating by continuing to look for other jobs. We have a generous PTO policy its just that that day is inconvenient. cold-calling companies and showing up in person to submit a resume Instead they went through the whole thing and then sent you an obnoxious note, which means they wasted both of your time. Regarding small talk in job interview using skype. That shows that youre not trying to get out of it. Until everyone has adequate paid sick pay and access to health care these arguments about every sick person who goes to work sick being an awful person will have little meaning to me. I also think the company was bat shit crazy to write such a condescending rejection letter. Youre essentially punishing people for adapting to bad employers while trying their best to get out. I get the feeling that they are a horrible place to work for, they have no impulse control. Im not a horrible inconsiderate person for not having considered it. It was yeah. I wouldnt give it a second thought if an interviewee had mild cold symptoms, as long as they declined to shake my hand. 1. My husband has a compromised immune system and if I brought cold germs home and he caught my cold, he could die. I, of course, disagree. Doctors also specifically say to stay home, preferably away from any family members, for 24 hours. Certainly they could have handled the situation better but Im not convinced this is the sign of anything but a workplace that for whatever reason is very conscious of how germs can affect immunocompromised people. I might be in a minority here, but I think that expecting people to avoid meetings, interviews or general human interactions in a work scenario when they have a cold is ridiculous. I dont think it should be used as a throwaway line to guilt trip people. But the reaction was a little much. The OP could have contacted the employer and worked out other options. Im feeling well enough to come in, but wanted to let you know in case youd prefer to reschedule.. Or you get another cold. I would not miss out on a job opportunity if I felt well enough to go and didnt look like death. The flu and noro virus can literally kill people. Dont get mad at people coming in sick, get mad at companies and managers who make people feel like they have to come in sick. To be clear, I dont think it would be reasonable to go to an interview with raging pneumonia or a stomach bug, but colds are a fact of life that we all face and that most employers dont respect as a reason to call out for, despite all the evidence on productivity and the risk to other employees. Thats not the point. If your at the point in the sickness cycle where you are coughing and sneezing all over the place I would suggest you call the company and reschedule. For reference, I accepted for the second paragraph about. Well all the time really but especially during C&F season. I replied Oh, no, you should be at home! When your coat and scarf are covered in snow, politely ask if there is a place to leave your things so they don't drip on the floor. I had the reverse happen to me. Yes people should stay home whenever possible but in between times we only have manners and hygiene and common sense to get us through. It's both a chance to continue to prove yourself. Also, you may want to avoid shaking hands with the interviewers, stating that "I am at the end of a cold" as the reason. But there was some department disagreement going on and she felt she should be able to take part. If you're still actively in the middle of it hard, sneezing, coughing, difficultly talking/swallowing water, etc. You should mention that when scheduling interviews so people know! I felt more or less okay except for the runny nose, so I took (non-drowsy) OTC cold medicine and went. Ive heard MANY people say if you have to reschedule an interview for any reason, youre a slacker. I wouldnt expect someone to take 2 weeks off of work while they had a cold, and would have some reservations about this persons likelihood to show up to work. Thats pretty unreasonable. Update any date to the current date in a text file. Nothing felt off about the interview. That being said, their rejection email was pretty callous. At which point she said Oh my god go home, Ill fix your timesheet so you get paid.. The kind of person who thinks you should be so devoted to getting the job that youd shoulder your way through your illness and show up anyway. Do people really take that much time off every time they get a cold? Consider that company a bullet dodged! She should have kept her mouth shut about her un-diagnosed issue to avoid the hystera that youve illustrated. Giving them the option is a great idea. Going to a job interview if you are sick with anything from a head cold to the bubonic plague is not the best move. Did you even read Airys comment? Yeah, I realize now it might have been a bit overkill. Instead you got mad at her and are harboring resentment. Someone who can guarantee that they will never, ever get sick or somehow prevented from coming in to work? No one wanted to get what I had (and I wouldnt be my best.). If they had a serious issue like that to be concerned about, why would they go through with the interview at all? It would never have occurred to me to reschedule an interview because of an ordinary cold ( and the LWs description sounds to me like an ordinary cold nothing extreme.). Thats why this approach (letting the interviewer decide) is a good one. Is every person supposed to speak in a meeting? (It was my project and no-one else knew enough about it to take care of it). I thought if I could go to work with this cold (which I did the day before and after), then I was okay to attend the interview. And that is fair enough what do you do about making sure they know they can reschedule / skype in etc.? Especially at clinics. I have had norovirus and that stuff is no joke, and if anyone showed up at my office with it (or something similar) I would tell them to turn around and go home. And they thanked me for giving them a heads up (and for not shaking hands). TO you have What else would I be scolded for? I came down with a small cold the day before a major interview. I was going to say that asking to reschedule drops you like a hot potato. Im already writing off people in my mind if a we have to reschedule. I had a job interview the next day and of course rescheduled. So I slunk in, did the interview, and got the job! Is it appropriate to ask for an hourly compensation for take-home interview tasks which exceed a certain time limit? Strep requires diagnosis and antibiotics, and it can lead to serious complications if not properly treated. In reality staying home when you have a cold will get you penalised, possibly even fired. Yeah, right. Yeah, I show up to work with a cold. Who gets mad about that? Im lucky that my husband rarely gets sick because most of his office worked sick last winter. I think we all work with both typesI certainly do. Not to mention that many people *are* contagious a few days before their symptoms actually show up. Yes! They were in a bag and nowhere does it say they had to blow their nose repeatedly. They often last with obvious symptoms for at least a full week, and often longer (at least for me, theyre always 2 weeks+). So yes I know how it works. I get that its not great to bring germs to the office if you can help it but sometimes people are really over the top in scolding people for daring to come to work while in anything less than perfect health. If someone came in with tissues, cough drops and a water bottle Id find it off-putting. I mean youre not going to please everyone so theres always going to be someone who takes offense for no good reason, Im just wondering if theres a way to sort of cater to both sides of the coin, or is it always going to require the brief explanation, I know some people need to avoid germs as much as possible.. Yes. It makes such a difference! This is a total non sequitur. Cheering on someone who brings germs to work is nothing short of immoral.
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